May 28, 2024

Episode #144: Brandon Faust – Wayfinders

Brandon Faust is a passionate advocate for community empowerment and positive change. As the co-founder and Executive Director of Wayfinders, a non-profit dedicated to self-discovery, training, and incubating new nonprofits and ministries. Brandon is committed to helping individuals find their path to making a difference. He’s also a co-founder and Partner at Switchback, an Indianapolis-based company focused on unlocking organizational potential and prioritizing people in our ever-evolving world.

Brandon has a Masters Degree in Leadership which has allowed him to serve as an adjunct professor and previously served in pastoral ministry for 15 years. He’s played a pivotal role in establishing two co-working spaces in the Indianapolis area, demonstrating his dedication to creating collaborative environments.

Brandon’s mission to empower everyday leaders and everyday disciples to discover their holistic life purpose and help unleash people on mission.

Brandon lives in Zionsville with his loving wife, Lisa, and their three wonderful children.

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Coach Tim Campsall: Hello everyone. This is coach Tim Campsall and I’m excited to have a fellow business owner from Indiana with us today. Something unique about my guest is that he was cut from the Dallas Cowboys as a kicker. He also played college soccer as well as professionally overseas. In his downtime, he enjoys coaching youth sports and being outside with his kids.

He’s most proud of maintaining his conviction to build his nonprofit, which he’s going to share a little bit about with us today. At the same time running that nonprofit, he’s able to take Fridays off to prioritize his family. What an awesome balance. It’s my pleasure to welcome Brandon to the show today.

Hi, Brandon.

Brandon Faust: Thanks so much, Tim. Thanks for the gracious introduction. Sports were definitely a huge part of my life, but also a great lesson. And sometimes things don’t work out the way you would think they might. Which is totally cool too. So great experiences along the way. Thanks for having me.

Coach Tim Campsall: Awesome. Hey, let’s start by having you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you personally. So tell us your name and where you were born and live, about your family and hobbies.

Brandon Faust: Tim and I have this in common. I grew up in Southeast Michigan. So sometimes there might be words that I say with a little more nasally accent and Tim was a little more Northern Michigan, but so I grew up in Southeast Michigan with my parents, I have an older sister and just grew up, pretty, low key life in a lot of ways.

My dad worked for General Motors, and my mom worked in the schools. And yeah, just a normal upbringing, in that sense. But really fell in love with sports. My dad was really into sports. That was a huge part of my life. I think where I learned a lot of life lessons over the years back in the former days of being really involved in a lot more athletics in those times. Yeah, I grew up and really had this desire, had a call, into pastoral vocational ministry which honestly created a sandbox for me to discover entrepreneurship and launching new things and entrepreneurial mindset, and had a great influential leader in my life who helped shape that.

And Fan that flame, if you will and still in touch with that person to this day. And so that was a but sports were definitely growing up the whole deal. That was everything growing up close to the university of Michigan. We had football tickets to watch Michigan in the glory days of Tom Brady and Charles Woodson and all those kinds of things.

Grew up in that way, but really got on this path, and got involved in different community initiatives and stuff through my church. And that set off this entrepreneurial itch, if you will.

Coach Tim Campsall: Fantastic. Where do you live now?

Brandon Faust: We we moved to the Indianapolis area in 2012. We live in Zionsville.

We’ve been in Zionsville now for about five or six years.

Coach Tim Campsall: Yeah. Tell me a little bit about your family.

Brandon Faust: So I’m married to my wife, Lisa. Lisa is a nurse practitioner at a family practice. And then we have three kids, Nora, who is eight, Lucy, who’s about to turn five and Liam, who’s two and a half.

So we’re in the midst of juggling family and kids and the whole deal, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Coach Tim Campsall: Awesome. So you played soccer growing up and in college and a little bit professional. So how’d you find yourself trying out to be a Dallas Cowboys kicker?

Brandon Faust: So it’s a crazy kind of story.

There was a guy who had played in the NFL and he had come to the town where I was a youth pastor, my first job out of college. And so he was coming into different school assemblies and things like that. And he had heard some things about my soccer career and all that. And he’s like have you ever kicked a football?

I’m like, ah, just messing around. So I’d never played football in my life, outside of backyard football or whatever. I was too busy doing soccer and hockey and all the basketball, all those things. And long story short, he’s like I want you to go kick some footballs and tell me how it goes.

So I ended up, this was crazy to me, kicking a 66 yard field goal, which you know, is decent. And so ended up through this guy getting connected to a semi pro football team to get like footage and then worked with a guy named Jim Garrett. Jim Garrett was a scout who worked with a lot of special teamers.

His son was Jason Garrett, who was the head football coach for the Dallas Cowboys at the time. And so all these different workouts and different things like that. And it came down to me and this kid from the university of Florida. We had similar type workouts and they ended up going with him instead of me, but it left me with some opportunities, some arena football league tryouts, and some opportunities with that.

But at that time I, put about a year into this football thing while working full time and was about to get married. And so it was if this doesn’t happen, gotta give up on this, but it was an amazing experience. It led to being able to coach special teams at a pretty large high school and be an influence with the kids there.

So it was great.

Coach Tim Campsall: What a fun story. Thanks for sharing. So speaking of fun stories, is there a funny story that your family likes to tell about you that you’d be willing to share with us today?

Brandon Faust: I think like a more relevant one for my wife and my kids, there’s plenty growing up, but more recently, I’ve been jumpy.

So literally our kids will quietly tiptoe through a room and they just show up and I’m always getting just shocked, surprised it happened. Even this weekend, my wife came outside. I was working on something, and had no idea she was there. So that’s a, there’s plenty of stories, some appropriate, some probably inappropriate for this podcast, but that’s the one recently is I’ve turned into a jumpy person and I never knew that was something about me.

My kids think it’s hilarious. They think it’s a fun game to scare Dad.

Coach Tim Campsall: Yeah. It sounds like it would be a little bit of fun. Brandon, tell us how the business came about. And at what point did you have the confidence that you could run your own business?

Brandon Faust: Yeah, that’s a great question.

And it, it’s one of those stories, you hear all these entrepreneurship stories and people just had this like light bulb moment and they start the thing the next day and then they grind at it by themselves in their garage for, the next two years. And then by year three, they’re a multimillionaire.

That’s not my story, right? So much of my story is not just about what I chose to do. It was like, what was happening in the community around me? People speaking things into my life, I probably dragged my feet longer than I should have to start something. I think a lot of this started swirling for me in 2015.

However, the work did not launch until 2019, if that tells you anything. And I think that’s, there’s sometimes these over-romanticized stories of entrepreneurship or launching a new work or a business or a nonprofit. Mine was like the slow burn that grew conviction. And so in 2015, I went through this kind of coaching process to figure out my unique skills, and abilities.

I, to be honest with you was a little apprehensive about it. I just finished a, was finishing my master’s program that was focused on organizational leadership. So all of these assessments, online tests, which are super helpful, they’re great, whether as an individual or for a team. But I was like, man, I don’t need another one of those.

And so I went through this process that a boss of mine had connected me to a friend of his. And it was absolutely transformational. It helped me put language to the angst I was maybe feeling in my career the desires in my heart, and how to put language to those. What do I really value in work?

What do I really value? In terms of using my transferable skills, what do I what kind of culture do I want to be a part of or help create? And then what are these kinds of X factor purpose things in my life? And so this kind of coaching process was really helpful to me and really helped me to start moving towards this idea.

What does it mean to empower the everyday leader? There are all these world-class resources available to executives mainly. And I actually even benefited from those processes, right? I, but I watched my peers not get access to those kinds of things and thought, man, what would it look like to invert that reality?

What would it look like? As a pain point or a problem to solve. And I didn’t know that would be through starting a nonprofit one day, and then also starting a consulting company as well. I didn’t know that would be the way in which I’d go about it. But I just knew that this problem existed that I was bumping into in my world and that I saw in my reality and my context and thought, man, what if that could be different and started to put some ideas to that, I thought I would do it, as I neared retirement, maybe start something like this.

But then part of this framework, you have to have these verifying conversations. You have to go to people who would speak about things that you see in the short term and long term. And when you do that with the right trusted group of people there’s just something beautiful that happens. And so a lot of those people had said, we really think.

In the next few years, you really, you’re onto something. You should start something, whether that’s a business or nonprofit, but there are some, there’s a pain problem. We want to affirm that we want to affirm who you are as a leader. And so over those next couple of years this groaning in this idea grew with conviction.

And sometimes slower than I wanted it to, but then the conviction really started to grow as others. We’d studied a a church planting movement in India and watched how they were just starting like nonprofits left and right, very simple in varied contexts. And that just gave us a reference point, gave us a reference point, not to just copy paste, but to, and I felt like there was a thread of community that came around the conviction that I had, and that was really pivotal, especially for a nonprofit to have a community around it.

And so long story short in 2019. I quit my day job and gave like a 12-week notice, a private foundation had heard about some of the ways I was using this kind of coaching framework to help people discover purpose, and move towards career paths. The guy who I had gone through that process with gifted me his life’s work and said, just steward this well, whatever that’s going to look like.

But the conviction really grew to a place to say, yeah, we want to put this into a nonprofit. To help people discover purpose. Whether that’s career-related or just ways they want to get involved in the community, put it at an affordable price point, scholarship people through, and then also help people launch new courageous initiatives, grassroots businesses, nonprofits, ministries, you name it.

And like a pathway for them to do that. And quit my day job in 2019, and stepped into this. And then also what we found out is this framework was really going to help people in their professional context, like in their workplace. So we set up a business we call Switchback and it’s a small consulting company where we help people develop personal development plans.

They co-create those with their managers. We give some tools to managers on how to have those conversations. And so that really helped us. Pay for a couple of us, doing that work that we really believed in and thought was great and created all these backend applications to it while also still building what was, what we ended up naming Wayfinders as our nonprofit, which is now, from 2019, that.

Got it started as an entity, but 501c3 status, all that was awarded in 2020. There’s a process there. And so those, that was the big move, right? Like the safety net is gone. We had just had our second child. She was a month old and it’s we are going with conviction, have a little bit of support from a private foundation.

And leaped.

Coach Tim Campsall: That is awesome. So tell us a little bit more about the company. What’s the name? What do you guys do? How do you help people?

Brandon Faust: Yeah. So Wayfinders is a nonprofit. We’re located in Brownsburg, Indiana. So I live in Zionsville, but we have a missional co-working hub here in Brownsburg but the podcast studio co-working space offices, conference room, you name it.

And our mission is to help everyday leaders move into the future and make the greatest impact. So we curate various environments. We put them in three buckets. One bucket is called discover, and that’s where we want to help people discover who you are, your distinct impact for good. So that could be career-related.

You’re in a career transition. We’ve worked with executive, 5, 000 people through our flagship program called Life Mapping You. We have a process for middle school and high school students all the way up to, people in their 80s who’ve gone through this, who are looking to activate purpose, use their skills to serve the community, as well as people at the peak of their professional career.

There’s a chief technology officer that we worked with, two years ago who’s thriving in the community. We’ve worked with superintendents and principals and school teachers and pastors, we’ve worked with people in sales and business development, you name it, varied industries.

We have different workshops for that. And so that’s been our flagship. Program, if you will. We also host one called the impact identity workshop where we’ll partner with other nonprofits and churches to facilitate that there, as well as here locally, which is just creating a personal impact statement for your life.

Then the second part is the launch. We have curated paths where we help people launch the impact they want to make. So that might be some grassroots thing they do in their neighborhood, some sort of need that they see. Or that might be something like standing up a nonprofit or a missional redemptive business or some sort of ministry.

And so we have free workshops that we host called start something workshops where you literally start something and we encourage people to put a date to that. And just start the activity, right? Just start the activity. And sometimes those are ideated in those workshops right there. Other times people have been sitting on an idea like I was for several years and they’re like, I just don’t know how to activate this thing.

I don’t know what to do. It’s not that they don’t have to get up. It’s not that they don’t have a work ethic. They’re just like, I don’t even know. How does this fit with the context of working a nine to five and family and all that? And then when we invite them, certain individuals, from that into a six month cohort, we do not only pour into their idea, but we pour into that leader with our various frameworks.

Connect them to relational capital, connect them to sometimes financial capital all those different things too, we call that our impact studio, right? I’ve got, you heard about like tech studios and all this stuff. This is our impact studio. And we’ll have a class that comes through. We’ll start in September and we’re we’ve been taking applications right now for that process.

And we’ve helped. We can’t always measure what will always exist, but we can measure how many people we lead through our start-something framework. And so far in 2020, I think we’re at 204 individuals who’ve gone through our start something framework and really put flesh to an idea. And we know that over the last three and a half years or so we’ve helped like 25 different organizations get started.

And so we, we love that. A lot of them are very grassroots missional might be a side hustle side project, and then some of them it’s their full time work now. And then the third piece is so there’s discover launch and the third piece is partner to make an impact with us. And not just to us, but with us come and serve, be a part of the impact studio as a community leader on entrepreneur, come speak to others who are at the beginning of their entrepreneurial journey. It might mean making a decision to use our coworking space. And there’s those kinds of collisions that happen when you get like-minded people in the room.

We have a community night. We called groundwork. We just had one last week. A guy who used to be a DJ and hip-hop artist and still does some of that. And there’s also a pastor who led and talked about BPMs and how, we each kind of have a rhythm of a season that we’re in, it was amazing. And all these, we had high net worth individuals in the room to people who are in college.

To everything in between, multiple ethnicities are represented. It was a beautiful space to be in, as we seek to become everyday leaders in our own context. And then obviously, people who as a nonprofit, yes, we have some program revenue through some of our offerings, but people can partner in our work financially as well as a nonprofit.

So that we can continue to offer these kinds of programs for free or at a very reduced, from the market rate cost to individuals. And then behind all of that, I was a pastor for 15 years. So we have some different spiritual formation frameworks that are accessible. So we go into environments where there’s no spiritual connotation.

There’s nothing like overt direct. We like to go into, we’re in schools, we’re in nonprofits, all kinds of different environments, but then we have certain environments Where people who want to resource for spiritual formation that they can access that as well. So that’s a big part of all of our work as well.

Coach Tim Campsall: That’s awesome. What a great story and a great journey you’ve been on. Brandon, share a story where someone pushed you or inspired you that you could do it, even though maybe you didn’t think that you could, and the impact that person had on you.

Brandon Faust: Yeah, I think going even back to the verification conversations from that life mapping your process.

It really, sometimes you’ll have people in your life who will give you that unsolicited advice, that sometimes you want, and sometimes you just need but going after a couple of intentional, there was there’s three men, Jeff, Ken, and John, who Older, wiser, had all of them had started something at one point.

And so they probably have a little bit of that disposition in them, to say, go do this, but they’re also very discerning people. And so they’re not going to just tell you to go take this crazy risk and all that.

 When I went to them and was just talking about my career and my desires and just this conviction and angst, they were all yeah, we totally see you starting something like, you’re behind the eight ball here, buddy.

Like we’ve all seen this for years. And that was just a good, that other people’s word should never be the sole reason you go and do something. But when you’re wrestling around and thinking about it and I do have a, on my own can have like a high risk, tolerance, if you will, but when you have a family and you have kids and you’re like man, it’s not like things were going poorly in my life or my career.

It really just put more, encouragement. It put courage in me, hearing from those guys and having them speak into it and affirming that. And so that we like to call them around here. I see in your conversations I see this in you. I see this thing, and when you see it, you got to say it right.

And so that now I didn’t go and just start something that even within a year of those, but I started moving towards it. I started moving towards the activity. I started moving towards and behaving. That way. And so when it was time, then I went back to those same group, the same group of people and said, Hey, here’s now this actual opportunity to do this with still some risk, but not as much risk of just, choosing to do it on a random Tuesday.

And that was really formative for me and encouraging. And basically my ask of them was like, will you walk with me as I do this? And their answer was of course.

Coach Tim Campsall: That’s fantastic, Brandon. Hey, let’s shift gears here a little bit. Tell me what’s been your biggest learning as a business owner?

Brandon Faust: Ooh, one of our values is collaboration. And, I know that’s a, can be a buzzword, a popular word these days, but to really make decisions in a collaborative manner to empower each other as a team. And I’m not going to go into all the details of it, but our, I had to be away for six weeks last summer.

And a lot, that was related to a significant health issue with one of my kids. And so it was just like, no warning, no, this was not in the plans and really saying, okay how well are our values actually going to stand up of empowering, of establishing culture, Cause I’m just going to be gone and I don’t have, there’s no time for like handoffs.

There’s no time for information exchange. It was a pretty intense time for us as a family. And so really coming back and seeing the sacrificial nature of our team, people stepping in our board, volunteers, our community really pushed me more and more to say, Hey, we talk about this value, but our team really lives this out.

And I need to continue to grow as a leader, to give things away. And so even on the other side, my daughter’s health is doing fantastic at this point, coming back to, it was a very disorienting time to catch up.

Coach Tim Campsall: Yeah.

Brandon Faust: Where are we at? What do we need to be doing? but to really trust our values to embody those.

And it challenges me to give away more leadership or make sure that I don’t take on certain leadership in the first place to give away like this is just available. And the value of communication both, verbal and written, all of that helps you get through those times.

And so I think that’s been one of the biggest learnings. It’s like a thing that you. Maybe see, I’ve seen as a strength or have complimented as a strength. over the years, but to say, man, that is just an area that I feel like I’m still just in infancy and maybe toddler years of growing in that. And to not think through the lens of what does Brandon want to do today?

 But think through the lens of what do we need? And in the context of our work as a community and the context of our team, what’s needed today? And I would rather have it planned, and scheduled. I’d rather have it all buttoned up. But that’s been a beautiful part of the journey for me and very humbling to know that this work will continue.

Without my presence and that, that is significant. And I want to continue to push towards that because ultimately we want to multiply our work in and through others. That’s the nature of what we do at Wayfinders. And yeah, it was a crash course.

Do you really believe this is the way to go for me over the last year?

Coach Tim Campsall: I love it. There are A lot of folks who I hear business owners say all the time that no one can do the job as well as me, and there is that fear of letting go and trusting that somebody can carry the ball now. It obviously it doesn’t happen. You’re in your case, it happened overnight, but you’d laid the seed, you’d laid the groundwork and you’d prepared people to be able to do it.

One of the things I share with business owners as well, you have, five years or 10 years or 15 years of experience and expertise in your head. Of course, somebody is not going to be able to do it as good as you in two weeks. But if we know, if we spread out the training process and document, and write out the processes and the procedures over time, people can learn to do it as good as you. And now to your point, you’ve freed yourself up to be able to focus on the next thing and the next thing, and know that the team’s able to carry the ball and, run that part of the organization or that process or that procedure and no longer has as the owner, as the bottleneck.

Brandon Faust: Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, those lessons, it’s like, Oh, when Tim says that, man, that makes a lot of sense when you’re in it, you’re like ah, yeah.

Coach Tim Campsall: It’s funny you mentioned that I oftentimes, I’ll coach my clients on a similar topic all week. And then my coach will point it out for me and I’d be like, Oh my goodness.

It’s so much easier to see it in someone else than it is to see it in ourselves.

Brandon Faust: Totally. I agree.

Coach Tim Campsall: Hey, Brandon, we know that business success doesn’t happen in isolation. Tell us about one of your biggest challenges as a business owner and maybe someone who came alongside you and helped you to get through that challenge.

Brandon Faust: Yeah, I think one of the challenges early on was, there was someone who had gone through this framework that it was really beneficial to them and they’re the owner of the company that they ended up working for said, “Hey, tell me about this process. You seem very articulate on what you want, the kind of growth you’re interested in, and our company.”

And so they shared that. And that was really I had like kind of a coaching LLC stood up previously. And so what we did is we ended up forming a consulting company cause that didn’t really fit within the scope of the mission of Wayfinders as a nonprofit. And we wanted to keep those things very separate.

And so that was a challenge on just honestly, I didn’t want to do that. I’m like, are we already leaped to do this now? Like I don’t want to do a business too. And yeah. didn’t have maybe the confidence to be in the business world. I’d been in the nonprofit and ministry world, if you will.

And so it was like, Oh, who would want to, who would want to do this with me? Or who would want to do this with a company that we build a thing? And so that challenge then became people saying Hey no. You do have these things, and this could be a great way to steward things well.

As you were building this nonprofit to let things grow there, but then to help financially and all these kinds of things and relieve some of that burden from the nonprofit. What if we started this consulting company? And so that was a big challenge to cross that. Not only the entrepreneurial, let’s start a nonprofit, but even that imposter syndrome thing that can really, that can be pretty gnarly to say, Hey, I can start a company too and we can create this, use this core process, but then on the backend create all these different applications, me and the co-founder, Matt Kurtz, we’ve both led staff teams in our career and all this kind of stuff.

He’s a former CFO and local business owner at Bogan Eye Care here in Brownsburg. So get your optometry needs met there. Stephanie’s my eye doctor. But, that was a gnarly second entrepreneurial, water slide to ride down as well. And landing, landing a client based off of them being like, Hey, we, you did this for this person.

Can you help us contextualize this for our team? and do it for our whole team? And we’ve been, working with them since 2019 to this day. We love the guys and gals over at Seamless Roofing and worked with them. They’ve been amazing anchor clients on the business side. And I’m out of the day-to-day on that stuff now, right?

I’m full-time, just focused on wayfinders. We have a couple of guys who run that over at Switchback now, but what’s great is not only did they become clients of the business side, but they got involved in volunteering with Wayfinders as well as, many of them on their team have donated financially to the work of Wayfinders.

Our participants in the work have helped us create bridges of opportunities for kids that we serve in the city to have some job shadowing experience, things like that, so that’s been really cool to see. How do these two worlds make sense? And then actually seeing them all come together has been really powerful.

Coach Tim Campsall: That is awesome. So shifting gears to the future as you think about the next one to three years, Brandon, what’s the, what’s your number one priority or the challenge that you need to to overcome in order to achieve your goals?

Brandon Faust: It’s a great question. I think a lot of times people know us based on one of those three prongs that discover launch partner that I mentioned. So they may have interacted with us in one of those spaces. But they maybe haven’t interacted with us in all of those spaces and we’re seeing more and more people who have and just How transformational that is for them not only for them to discover and activate something or launch something But for them to have a community of like-minded folks to be around or a space to be in where they can be doing those things.

And so I think for us one of the areas would just be, cleaning up our messaging, and we just talked about it. This morning is a team, a visual that kind of describes all of our work and what that kind of looks like in a visual sense. And, one of those kinds of growth curve things, anytime they feel like you update your, and we have a beautiful website, really grateful for that.

But anytime you feel like you update your website, you feel like something’s outdated or something needs to be changed or tweaked or whatever. So that’s definitely one of those for people to understand the collective nature of everything we’re doing and not just the segmented nature of that.

And I think that’ll feed itself, right? And people can enter. There’s not like a point A to a point C or a point E for us. People can enter at the launch phase, but then maybe they need to get some of this discovery stuff.  Maybe they enter in that partner, but they need to get some of this launch thing going, whatever that might be.

So that for us would be just that marketing-type visual that people can understand very succinctly when they come to our website. When we meet with them if people get into our environments, they see it pretty quickly. What we’re all about.

Coach Tim Campsall: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

Awesome. Last question, Jim Rohn, awesome business guru. One of his famous quotes is we become the average of the five people that we spend the most time with. So as you. Think about that quote, what advice would you have for business owners who are trying to do it on their own?

Brandon Faust: Yeah, I think that’s the isolation and just betting on myself idea hasn’t worked for me ever in my life.

Opportunities, whether in athletics, whether in ministry positions, whether in launching this work as a business owner in a nonprofit kind of a good entrepreneur, if you will. It’s never happened in isolation. It’s never happened on my own abilities. It’s never happened on the things that I could strongarm.

And I really do believe, having people speak into you as you go, as well as speaking into your idea and making sure that you don’t, you’re not just a, around here, Matt always says, let’s not be a solution looking for a problem. Let’s actually see a problem and then create a solution.

Coach Tim Campsall: I love it.

Brandon Faust: And, my advice would just simply be, how do you not just see your own intellectual capital? How do you not just see your own relational capital? How do you not only see your own financial capital, right? Those kinds of things. And to know that Indianapolis, especially for those listening in Indianapolis is a very everyone’s one phone call away sort of thing, environment, and very community oriented. I think people are really cheering for people in small business and in grassroots nonprofits and things like that. I think people get that here. And so I think seeing, I was just talking to a guy last week. He’s going to come into one of our impact studio programs. He’s got a great idea or really missionally minded business.

So it’s going to be a great business with a really cool give-back opportunity through it. And he’s just I just don’t have enough time. I’m working my other job. He’s newly married. And we just started man, what are these other capital? You’re only looking at the capitals you possess that you have or that you think that you have.

And man, I have, I’ve been there before. And so I would just say, Hey, who are those people you can lean into? Lean on that’ll go there that people who will go to bat for you, people who will make an introduction for you, people who will let you sit in on a meeting, people who will help you figure out your, go to market plan, people who will help you figure out market, various market research.

And is this an actual problem or a pain point, or maybe you get, they’ll give you an opportunity to have a trial on something or be your first client. And so I think though that relational capital, intellectual capital, financial capital, making sure that we see a broader picture of abundance outside of just what I possess or what I think I possess is what I would encourage them.

Coach Tim Campsall: What an awesome advice for everyone listening. If you’re on the line here, listen to this, and jot that down. You definitely want to take advantage of the people that you don’t even know that are there to offer you a hand. Brandon, it sounds like you’ve been blessed with some incredible people in your journey.

If they were all here on the show today, what would you want to say to them?

Brandon Faust: I love them, like I just love them and I’m grateful for them in every way. And I think I would just tell them, man, thank you for seeing something in me. Thank you for the invitation to grow through this entrepreneurship journey, right?

If it all burned away, if it all burned down. Now, I hope that does not happen, but if it were to, I knew that I gave it a fair shake and a fair shot and that people’s lives were impacted in and through, not just what Brandon says or does, but through what has been built and created and shared in.

And I would just say, thank you. I love them. It’s been the journey of a lifetime. It’s been hard. It’s been beautiful, but they, those people have not only been there from the beginning. But they’ve stayed and remained active in my life. And yeah, like the opportunities that have been created through collaboration and through conversations and introductions.

Are beyond what I could have ever imagined in of myself doing. And that’s where I think, this whole maybe I’m definitely the least self-made person. It’s community-made. And I was on, I got to tail around for the ride and it was just the person who was willing to say, yes, let’s start this thing and then see what happens.

And sometimes that’s all it takes is someone to say, yep. We see a common pain point. Let’s bring this together and let’s steward this idea. Let’s steward this solution. And I would just, yeah, tell them, thank you for allowing me to steward these things alongside them.

Coach Tim Campsall: Fantastic. Brandon, it’s been a pleasure speaking with you today.

Thanks so much for being on the show.

Brandon Faust: Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Thanks for everything you’re doing to help leaders get better as well, Tim.

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